Posts: 5,434 Member's Picture Albums. Straight-line stability goes up and cornering will be improved as more caster gives more camber change while turning (confused yet?) so i decided to get 285's so i could lower my truck and fix my camber. Or if you want to go even higher, you can convert to a 4-link style suspension which will eliminate almost all caster change as the suspension cycles, making for a very stable ride. Locate the upper control arm mounting bolts on the side of the frame. For negative camber adjustment, you simply clock the camber shim to the required setting but at the 6 o’clock position. I also have a 3"spacer and 2" shackle kit on there. Rear camber can only be fixed by welding the axle housing end tubes on straight. No, really, stand up. Moving the upper arm out gets you more positive and moving it in results in negative camber. You always have to replace tires, particularly on the front wheel. Those shims adjust camber and caster. If the top of the tires is leaning out, your car has a positive camber angle. Step 3. Lift "kits" include drop brackets for the axle beam pivots so that the angle of the axle beam is the same as it would be at stock height, thus camber will remain in spec. Hardly ever hear of a positive camber issue. Driving a lifted truck makes you feel like king of the road. Guy at Firestone said they always have trouble getting the camber right on lifted trucks, so I … I thought it might of been due to the torsion bars sagging over time but i cranked them up and still the camber is very visible. I have a lifted Chevy and I have noticed that it’s starting to pull to the left a little bit. The higher the positive caster setting, the force required to steer will be greater, but that’s about the only drawback. However it now drives so well (been driving it lifted without adjusting nothing for about 4-5 months) that I hate to complain. The weight of the trailer tongue on the hitch tries to lift the front end up (the truck is a lever, the rear axle is a fulcrum). All the methods you describe require cutting an welding of the rear dog legs either to relocate the shock mounts or the bearing housings. everytime i drop the truck the front camber almost looks the car from back to the future! the ride was sh*t and my camber was eating the inside of my tires. www.pathfinders4x4.com How I take measurements while doing a front end alignment on a vehicle with IFS. The tires look new, except that they wear out on one side or the other. Negative I left the truck at the shop so he can work on it monday. Discussion Starter • #1 • Jan 14, 2012. well when i bought my truck it had 35's on it with aftermarket keys(off a 1500) cranked all the way just to fit the 35's. At least bring the truck back to get that camber as close to 0.0 as possible and the toe to 0.0. Driving a lifted truck makes you feel like king of the road. If the two are at slightly different angles, you can run into bump-steer, which is the last thing you want to have on an off-road driven truck. You may have to do it more than once to get it perfect. Negative I left the truck at the shop so he can work on it monday. As you can see in the service procedure, there is only 1 way to adjust the values. Jump to ... website and i need sum help. Negative camber, along with other adjustments of toe and camber, can be used for racing applications where turning in one single direction is key to winning the race, like NASCAR. How to adjust your camber, negative or positive using camber bolts and a camber gauge. All the methods you describe require cutting an welding of the rear dog legs either to relocate the shock mounts or the bearing housings. Adding more shims makes greater negative camber (wheel tilting in), less shims makes positive camber. Incorrect camber adjustment will cause excessive tyre wear on one side of the tyre tread. He told me that he was going to cut the part of the truck where they turn to align the tire to give it so more slack to adjust the toe. If you plan on doing any driving where you need to increase the handling capabilities of the car, a slight inward lean (negative camber) of about 1 to 1 1/2 degrees is ideal. View attachment 19412 Adjustable UCAs have been discussed. I had a 2.5 inch rough country torsion key lift put on a couple weeks ago with some 18x9s and 285/65s. This is what is called “positive camber.” Now do the reverse and place all your weight on the inside of your feet. The I-beams look stock, so I'm guessing the guy used lowering springs. Removing the shims causes positive camber, or an outward lean. THE FIX If the top of the tire goes in, it has a negative camber, and if the top of the tire leans out, its positive camber. On a solid axle, caster is set by rotating the whole axle assembly with eccentric bolts on a Dodge, or on a Ford, you’re stuck swapping out adjustment bushings. With 3" of lift and stock UCA's you will sacrifice caster for camber. I still have a positive camber. drag link and tie rod to the later T style, Why Can’t Chrysler Build A Decent Automatic, Common Duramax Diesel Problems, Troubleshooting, and Solutions, The Basics of Towing With Your Diesel (plus, the basic parts you’ll need), Picking the Right Carli Suspension System, Ford Powerstroke 6.0 Lawsuit and Fix your 6.0L. Ford F-150/F-250: How to Align Your Tires. It can also cause oversteer. A small variation can severely affect the way the car handles and the tires wear. A small variation can severely affect the way the car handles and the tires wear. Since then, I’ve noticed a slight positive camber on both front tires. With 3" of lift and stock UCA's you will sacrifice caster for camber. Just a nut that you loosen for minute changes; lifting the UCA pulls the top of the tire in toward negative camber. I get an alignment and it feels good for about a week, but then after that I can tell its out again. Fortunately I live in a small town that has a few old school shops that still do this. Location: California. If you go too high without correcting caster, you may have unpredictable … so i decided to get 285's so i could lower my truck and fix my camber. The adjustment cams are pretty much all the way out. By changing the drag link and tie rod to the later T style, the steering can be made much tighter and safer. Step 1 Have an auto repair shop perform an alignment on your car, which will reset the camber of the wheels in both the front and rear of the suspension. If the top of the wheel is tilted towards the vehicle, it has negative camber. Dec 4, 2012 at 6:27 PM #2 #2. chris4x4 With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. Hardly ever hear of a positive camber issue. Rull of thumb from what I've been told is to run a degree or 2 of negative. I installed the Desert Products UCA's and was able to get 3.0 degrees positive caster and camber to 0.0. Share this post. There is a small range that’s ideal, but too much toe-in will cause uneven tire wear, and handling will become much worse especially in wet or icy conditions. Worked for me. Hoping to get some insight on this camber issue I’m having with my 04 z71. The camber of the vehicle determines how much the wheels are tilted either inside or out. Reply With Quote : 04-01-2010, 02:28 PM #2: brian2sun. If the string is not perfectly vertical, you should adjust the camber to get it as close as possible. Chevy Truck Forum | Silverado Sierra GMC Truck Forums. You can get an overview of camber and other alignment terms on the Alignment page. As a general rule, if you drive hard, a little … hit that like button and subscribe!!! Slightly loosen the upper control arm mounting bolts with the open-end wrench and the 3/8-inch ratchet and socket. Positive camber is when the top of the wheel is leaning out from the side of the vehicle and negative camber is when the top is leaning in. Also, depending on the 4WD, camber will affect the steering and handling adversely. What if I change my suspension?If done properly, a lifted truck can drive down the road just as straight and smooth as a stock version. .5 to be exact. I miss my solid axle K5 = the shop keeps aligning the camber slightly out (positive) so my outer tire edge is half the inner!!! Lifting the front end up tends to make dynamic camber be more toward the negative (an SLA suspension system is designed to do this). It matters a lot as far as drivability is concerned. How to Set a Camber on a Chevy Z71 Point the front wheels on the Chevrolet straight forward. The truck is showing around 1 degree of positive camber on the passenger and drivers side. If you don't feel like spending money on something you can do yourself, then read on. Loosen the clamps on the rod coming over from your drop arm, or pittman arm, and turn one way or the other till wheel is straight . Not all vehicles will require a camber kit when lowered or lifted, but if your alignment is out of spec due to a modified suspension, it's a good bet that your ride would benefit from a camber kit. In some cases, you can buy specialized offset balljoint or sleeve, but that only allows around one degree of change. The modified keys increase the distance between the control arms, thereby reducing space for camber correction. Nobody fabbed any up that I know of. Positive camber issue. Now, place all your weight on the outside of both feet. Easy fix for the steering wheel. I cut coils out of 67 F250 and ran into the same problem. With offset UCA bushings, more material of the bushing is placed toward the outside of the vehicle which locates the UCA back toward the inside of the truck, pulling the top of the tire back in toward the vehicle, gaining back some of the 'negative' adjustment capability for camber that was lost. the ride was sh*t and my camber was eating the inside of my tires. The only thing I notice is that when looking at the truck from the front, the front tires lean inwards at the top, slightly, but noticeable nonetheless...so basically it has positive camber. But if you’ve done your research, you can improve the function and feel of your truck simply by optimizing a few angles, and keeping those wheels pointed (almost) straight down the road. Doesn't pull or anything. Positive Camber vs. Do you off-road your truck at all? Both of these were outside of the factory allowed ±0.5 degrees of camber on each side. It’s that simple, and this is why the way you lower is so important. Tighten everything back up and test drive. Consider the radius arm front suspension found on 2005+ Super Dutys. It's so easy to get an alignment from a shop that people rarely do it themselves. If the top of the wheel is tilted towards the vehicle, it has negative camber. Moderator. Some argue that toe is the most critical part of an alignment for a highway driven vehicle, and adjustments are easily made on any vehicle using the tie rod ends, and you can even check it yourself at home with a tape measure and some string. Once they are done with the alignment, they show me the numbers and the camber of the front left tire is not in the green (just outside green). Take past straight just a little and tighten. Most vehicles on the road have a spec between 3- and 8-degrees of positive caster. Because of its design, the front axle is moving in an arc as it travels up and down, and by nature it pivots around its axis which means the caster angle is constantly changing. Lifted trucks are cool. Consensus is a lift over 2" will need an aftermarket UCA to get proper alignment numbers. Rull of thumb from what I've been told is to run a degree or 2 of negative. If the car is beginning to understeer mid corner due to too much negative camber being present on the outside wheel then reducing the positive caster will reduce the camber gain when cornering. I believe they secure the truck and then use a hydraulic jack of some sort to bend the beam. Some negative camber will help improve your handling of the road. In BOTH cases of lifted and lowered trucks, since the UCA is shorter than the LCA, we are plagued with negative camber. - p.o. Thanks edavidso, Dec 4, 2012 #1. Correcting negative camber? Typically the truck will pull to the side with the most positive camber. Rear camber on a Beetle is -1.7* +-.3*. When lifting a truck, there’s a lot more than just a good alignment needed for a safe and smooth ride. (in terms or wearing out) they refuse to put in 1.5 negative camber, like the old solid axles have..... say "its not to spec" liability bla bla bla "how hard is it do adjust camber in your driveway? In BOTH cases of lifted and lowered trucks, since the UCA is shorter than the LCA, we are plagued with negative camber. Positive & Negative Camber. Positive & Negative Camber. Required fields are marked *, © 2021 Power Products Unlimited, Inc. All Rights Reserved. It may look like a lot depending on how big your tires are,but trust me, negative camber in the rear is a good thing, you DO NOT want positive camber. well when i bought my truck it had 35's on it with aftermarket keys(off a 1500) cranked all the way just to fit the 35's. Camber: When you lower a truck you cause negative camber.When you lift a truck you cause positive camber. I'm no sure what is bent as its hard to tell by looking. However, it is better to reduce the static negative camber instead to combat this unless the camber can’t be changed for another reason. Tires don,t move but the steering gear will. When you go around a corner and let go of the wheel, you’ll notice the steering wants to return to center on its own; this is caused by a positive caster angle. Rear camber on a Beetle is -1.7* +-.3*. As the front end raises, the caster angle becomes negative, and as the front suspension compresses, caster gets more positive. The IFS Chevy guys are the lucky winners here, since caster and camber are easily set with adjustment bolts on the upper control arms. For negative camber adjustment, you simply clock the camber shim to the required setting but at the 6 o’clock position. Dynamic camber is the static camber plus or minus the "camber gain." Lifted trucks are cool. I seem to have developed quite a bad negative camber over the last 3 years since i had a suspension upgrade and new BFG's fitted. However, for longer tire wear, you'll want the camber set as close to 0* as possible. At the nut you'll see a pack of shims. Ok i have a 2014 cc 4wd. View attachment 19412 Adjustable UCAs have been discussed. i recently got a bagged 2001 tahoe n i ran into a problem up front. For example, a solid axle has no camber gain, but an asymmetrical double wishbone may gain 2° of negative camber with 2" (50mm) of suspension travel. A common spec for a full-size pickup truck is in the range of 0.10 inches toed in, with an acceptable tolerance of +/- 0.20 inches. Mar 05 2018, 11:30pm. My jeep has been aligned twice now and it's -1.0 on the front drivers side. If camber is different from side to side it may cause a pulling problem. Caster: This one is a bit tricky to explain but is basically the relationship between an imaginary line drawn between the upper and lower ball joints, and a vertical line drawn through the center of the wheel. It may look like a lot depending on how big your tires are,but trust me, negative camber in the rear is a good thing, you DO NOT want positive camber. The difference in performance was unbelievable. Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015 ... .5 is within factory spec, but it just seems like it should be 0...or is .5 optimum for lifted trucks, as was stated by the mechanic...? After all, it’s usually one of those jobs best left to the pros. Positive camber issue. I was wondering if there is a way to adjust the camber?? Those shims adjust camber and caster. When the axle beams are dropped (truck lifted) the alignment result is positive camber. Here’s how to adjust control arms that use shims: If the pivot shaft is inboard of the frame, adding shims causes the top of the tire to lean inward, increasing negative camber. Negative Camber . 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